Dr.Ajayi |
Most Nigerian couples have issues differentiating IUI from IVF. Could
you elaborate on the differences?
Let’s
put it this way, IUI, which is Intra Uterine Insemination and IVF, which is
Invitro Fertilisation are cousins but they are not interchangeable; they both
belong to the group that we call Assisted Reproductive Techniques (ART) but the
most basic form of that family or the least developed is IUI which any doctor
can do. You seriously don’t need any particular equipment to do that except to
prepare sperm because we know that when the semen comes, there is sperm, there
is seminal fluid so all you just need to do is to separate them from each other,
concentrate the sperm, and then you are able to introduce it back into the
woman. And for a woman to be able to do IUI, her tubes must be opened, while
the sperm must be good.
But when you look at our environment, the commonest problems are blocked tubes on the part of the woman and bad sperm on the man’s part. This makes the IUI of limited use in this environment.
But when you look at our environment, the commonest problems are blocked tubes on the part of the woman and bad sperm on the man’s part. This makes the IUI of limited use in this environment.
You
look at it in this environment where the commonest problems we have are those
two things, blocked tubes and bad sperm quality, it has very limited use in
this environment.
But there are some people who will still benefit from it but you need to be sure that those two things- the sperm parameters are good, and tubes are open so it is useless for anybody who has blocked tubes to be doing IUI, if you do one million, you can’t get pregnant.
But there are some people who will still benefit from it but you need to be sure that those two things- the sperm parameters are good, and tubes are open so it is useless for anybody who has blocked tubes to be doing IUI, if you do one million, you can’t get pregnant.
But the
common happening now is that people are mixing up the two and the patients are
not any wiser. Someone who is ideally supposed to be doing IVF, is rather
recommended for IUI which is not the ideal solution. For IVF, you need to bring
out the sperm, egg, then combine them to form an embryo before you can transfer
back into the patient. And for this to happen, you have to start with the use
of drugs, which makes the woman to produce eggs, and that is why it is called
IVF and Embryo transfer.
It is
important, especially now that it is hard to get money for patients not to
waste their resources and even their productive life in the hands of charlatans
who give IUI in place of IVF just because they want to exploit the patient.
I was
talking to a 50 years old woman who said she went to store her eggs in one
clinic. This made me wonder, how can she store her eggs when she wont be needing
it, because she can’t use her eggs, what she needs are donor eggs. So what is
she storing? And she will continue to pay money for this kind of thing. It is
so important the media educate the public on IVF, so they can make informed
choices and also know from knowledge which doctor is telling them the right
thing.
Have there been any regulation recently to tackle quackery and monitor
fertility clinics in the country?
Regulation
is slow even though we are making efforts at it. If you are waiting for legislation
or regulation, a lot of people will still continue to be misinformed and
misled. The fastest thing is for the citizens to be equipped with information.
Once a buyer of a treatment plan knows what he or she is buying, the person
will most likely not waste any money on quacks.
Though
our associations is working on regulation, but I tell you, how many clinics can
you police a day. In a year how many? If they know you are coming, they will
put up their best behaviour, when you leave, they continue with what they are
doing. So the easiest thing to do is educate the people who are investing their
time and money in these clinics so that they know and can ask their doctors
questions. They can tell their doctor what you are giving me is IUI and not
IVF. Imagine a doctor in a teaching hospital doing IUI for a 43-year-old, that
is criminal, you don’t do IUI for a 43-year-old, because you wouldn’t achieve
the needed result.
Don’t you think these lapses are from the professionals themselves?
The
problem is that most of them don’t know, you just assume that they know because
this is a different branch of medicine. The fact that you are a gynaecologist
just doesn’t make you a fertility specialist.
So who are the right people to practise it?
Someone
who has been trained as a fertility expert is qualified to practise, because
you need to know the indications. The fact that you can do surgery or you are a
gynaecologist doesn’t mean you can practise as a fertility specialist.
Like I
told you, IUI is the most basic form of assisted conception, once you are
trained, you can do it because you don’t need big equipment to do that, all you
need is a functioning lab, but the fact that you can do it doesn’t mean the
patient needs it. Your job is to be able to identify the patient who really
need it. Unfortunately in this country, not many patients will benefit from IUI
because our biggest problems are tube
blockage and sperm quality issues. These two are contraindications when it
comes to age (above 38). Once the person is above 38, it is relative
contraindication to IUI because the success rate goes down dramatically not to
talk of when the person is 43 years old. At that age if you do one million IUI,
it wouldn’t work even when the tubes are open.
Why I
think all we need is patient education is because that’s how endometriosis
started, but when people started getting education on it, they started asking
doctors questions, and this makes doctors uncomfortable and sit up. At that
point the doctors will be forced to learn more about the health issue so they
don’t get embarrassed. So the same step I think we need to take here, educate
our patients correctly.
Also
one of the problems that patients are having now is comparing oranges with
apples. They are comparing IUI with IVF because they don’t know the difference
between the two. So when somebody says, I am going to do it for N10, they run
there but what is the person doing, is it IUI or IVF? But if you know what it
is, you will ask questions. I keep telling patients that it is their body. You
shouldn’t let any body insert anything into you without you knowing what they
are doing.
But most times when patients become inquisitive, doctors become
defensive and harsh. What should the patient do?
The patient should walk away from such a doctor. Don’t forget that infertility treatment in Nigeria is paid out-of-pocket. That’s the more reason you should ask questions because you sweated for the treatment money.
The patient should walk away from such a doctor. Don’t forget that infertility treatment in Nigeria is paid out-of-pocket. That’s the more reason you should ask questions because you sweated for the treatment money.
Who should use IVF?
Patients
whose tubes are blocked, patients who we don’t even know why they should not
have children (this category is called unexplained infertility because they
have done the entire test and they are normal). For those people, if they are
less than 38, they could first start with IUI. But for those who can afford IVF
straight away, they can take IVF, but the expert must lay everything on the
table so they can make their choices themselves. If sperm count is just likely
not very good, just likely, not that it is severely bad, they can try IVF.
Someone suffering from endometriosis can also try IVF.
But one
thing we can also know now is that IVF can be used for some people who don’t
have infertility like in cases of sex selection, if you want to prevent
diseases, because now, we are able to do the gene analysis of the embryo we can
use that to prevent genetic diseases, so now the scope of IVF is expanding
beyond just infertility treatment and it is ethical.
There have been accusation lately that many doctors coax their patients
to do caesarean sections, now again it seems we are also going the same root
with IVF?
That is
why I said IVF can be used for unexplained infertility. Let’s look at a couple
that have been married for eight to 10 years and they have not had children and
let’s say theoretically that the woman is about 36, or say 34 and they come in
front of you and you know the pressure that family will be going through, and
they have the means and as a responsible doctor, you present the two options to
them, say; you can do IUI or IVF, the success rate of IUI is 10 – 15 per cent.
The
success rate of IVF is 25 – 30 per cent and they have the money, tell me which
one they are likely to choose. Of course, it is IVF so that is not doctor now.
I told you that a responsible doctor must give them all the options because
some of them might say, why don’t I try IUI once or twice and if it doesn’t
work I will do IVF. There are controversies over success rate of IVF. Some
experts are saying one per cent, some say 46 per cent, while some even claim
100 per cent.
What is the success rate?
Don’t
let us quote things out of context. Is this person talking about a particular
age range because there are some age range you can have forty something per
cent, those are the cream of IVF, less than 35 years old and you can have very
lower percentage when talking about over 40 years of age.
So what is the average success rate of IVF?
That is
why we always say 25-30 per cent when taking everybody together.
With your experience, what has been the success rate for you?
For
women below 35, it is 40 to 50 per cent. For 35 years upward upwards it is 25
to 35 per cent.
What are the factors you will see in a woman that will make you
recommend IUI for her?
The
woman’s tubes must be open, at least one, but if the two are open, the chances
are better but at least one must be open, if the two are blocked, it is
criminal to do IUI for such a person. Another thing is that the sperm count
must be good as well as sperm mortality. If the sperm count is good but
motility is bad, you are not going to get anything. But for some people, you
explain to them that we are not going to get anything here because of this
sperm and if she says why don’t you try, I don’t have any money for any other
thing, you try but you have told her that this is not your preferred form of
treatment.
In terms of cost, is IUI cheaper than IVF?
Of
course, it is like buying Volkswagen and Mercedes Benz. But some doctors are
not telling their patients the truth, they say I am doing IVF for you but
actually what they are doing is IUI. And so they don’t collect the money for
Volks but actually collect money for Mercedes.
At what point would you advise couples to go for treatment?
When
there is no problem at all, what we define as infertility is when you have
tried for one year. For example, if the man knows that even before he got
married that one of his testicles is missing, he knows that there is a problem,
such a person should seek help faster. He doesn’t need to wait for one year. If
the woman is less than 35 years, you can wait for one year, if she is over 35,
after six months, you should be going to do your test. If for example the woman
also has irregular cycles, then she doesn’t need to wait for one year before seeking
help, she will be advised to start almost immediately. Another category will be
women who do not menstruate regularly.
If she
is not ovulating, she cannot conceive. There are some women who only menstruate
four to six times a year, such a patient should see the doctor early so that
she can be able to get pregnant but if everything is okay, we say wait for one
year before you start your investigations. Again, it also depends on the
woman’s age. If she is less than 32, she can stay one more year with her
gynaecologist. But for the man, if there is a problem of low sperm count or
tubes are blocked, he is required to start treatment immediately because the
earlier you start your treatment, the better the success rate. And that is why
we say that once you need IVF, you better start on time.